The two grow close enough that Arthur feels comfortable to, for the first time, talk about his son and former lover, who both died after being murdered by two robbers over a petty amount of cash. During the attack Arthur saves Eagle Flies yet again. When the group went to Valentine, with Arthur and Uncle, she was the only one not to get into any confrontations. During Arthur's confrontation with Micah, John makes a surprising appearance and reveals that Dutch left him for the grave. The player can have Arthur partake in various activities throughout the story, as an outlaw both within the Van der Linde gang and outside of it, that will define his relationship with certain characters. ... And sometimes brothers make mistakes. While Arthur shows more respect for John, he still talks down to him and calls him an idiot. Arthur can have positive conversations with her, and at one point both of them discuss about how much they love to write, with Mary-Beth preferring to write stories and Arthur preferring to write his experiences in his journal, they both bond slightly over this shared interest. When Dutch intervenes in the fight he tells him of his success with John, ultimately feeling a sense of redemption because of this and no longer cares if he dies. Yes, John had his redemption in the first game as well, but hey, no one said that life is one straight path! John would tell her of Arthur's death, as she would become sad as she thought he didn't have long enough and will allow John to have items, stating any friend of Arthur's is a friend of hers. Dutch also shows clear trust in Arthur and complete confidence in his protege's numerous abilities. ", but when he screws things up he is lampooned for it. After Arthur died Charles found his body and buried him on a hillside facing the evening sun, fulfilling Arthur's wish when he was asked how he wanted to be buried by Hosea, Lenny and Tilly. We can only move on." Abigail begged Arthur, as well as Dutch and John, to rescue her son when he was kidnapped by the Braithwaites. He shows sympathy towards Charles' anger at the mistreatment of the Bisons, knowing that Natives are incredibly reliant on them to survive. Rains Fall comforts Arthur and tells him that he is being too hard on himself. leave a like and sub FOLLOW ME ON INSTAGRAM https://www.instagram.com/rangelo0125 Arthur pats him on the shoulder and tells him to leave with his blessing. Arthur would begin to make jokes at Bill's expense over this. The fight ends with Sadie killing the O'Driscoll's last leader and opening up to him about how much she misses her husband. Arthur and John were, more or less, like brothers as both of them were raised by Dutch and Hosea for 15 years. He enjoyed joking around with Arthur, for example whilst in Saint Denis Dutch snook up on him and held him at gun point, much to his amusement. Arthur turns to John with disappointment in his eyes and says the words we've all been feeling - "You're a fool, Marston.". Fittingly, the grave overlooks the location where Arthur told John to escape the gang and make a new life for himself and his family. This care for Arthur's well-being is further shown when, after Arthur and the others end up in Guarma and he locates them, Dutch exclaims with great relief that its a "goddamn miracle" that he had survived, and hurrying the others to get him some water immediately. In Red Dead Redemption, John isn't shy about voicing his distaste towards the gang and its inhabitants. By this point in the story Dutch and Arthur's relationship has fallen apart and during the escape Dutch leaves Arthur for dead, only for Eagle Flies to come to his rescue, but gets himself mortally wounded in the process by Colonel Favours. yeah, not your brother, you sure about that, Arthur? The two part ways again for the final time. Even so, John would use Arthur's ring to propose to Abigail, showing the sentimental value Arthur has in his, and Abigail's, life. Arthur doesn't react to her death but this likely because he was caught up in the tense standoff and couldn't afford to pay any attention to her dying. Years later, whilst he was living with his family on a homestead, Jack talks about Arthur with Abigail and tells her that he can remember Arthur saving them, if only a little. It just goes to show that revenge is never the answer, and it only leads to a never-ending cycle of violence and misery. Further adding that John doesn't like to talk about him. Arthur first meets Eagle Flies along side his father, Rains Fall, in Saint Denis. Arthur goes to check on the cabin only to be surprised and held at gun point, however, Kieran saves his life by shooting the O'Driscoll first. Arthur never showed his gratitude for Kieran openly, and whenever Kieran mentions it Arthur responds that they are even because he allows another day to go buy without killing him. Arthur can have polite conversations with Molly. This greatly distresses Arthur and calls him a silly fool, however, Eagle Flies retorts that Arthur has saved him numerous times and him giving up his life in return is how it should be. They escape into the forest and the gang splits up, with Arthur going with Uncle. Late in the story Arthur, Dutch and Sadie attend Colm O'Driscoll's public execution and thwart the rescue effort by the O'Driscoll Boys, securing Colm's death and avenging Kieran. During the standoff in Beaver Hollow, Bill sides with Dutch and Micah against Arthur and John, without hesitating. He tells both her and Abigail that they are the best women he has ever known and bids an emotional farewell. Upon 100% completion, John can be seen visiting Arthur's grave and completing his journal. She can ask Arthur for a fountain pen and in return will give him a ring. Arthur continued his life of crime, much to Mary's disapproval, and he suffered the wrath and disappointment of her family. More violence would follow, during Dutch, Arthur, Micah, Javier and Bill's short time in Guarma he murders an elderly women, Gloria, who was acting as the gang's guide, because she wanted more money. Those aren't just the words of two close male friends - John considers Arthur his actual brother. On the way back, with the gang having pretty much fallen apart, Arthur sends Abigail and Sadie away whilst he confronts Micah. From a certain perspective, the void that was left behind by Arthur removing Dutch from his sense of admiration is filled by Rains Fall. John Marston and Jack Marston go for a ride ... 0:46. While John also saw Dutch's increased immorality and corruption, it was Arthur who finally convinced him to take his family and leave the gang behind. It was only through Arthur's intervention that John realized the errors of his selfish ways and decided to become more faithful and loving towards his family. At camp Uncle can come up to Arthur to have random chats, normally ending with an insulting comment from Arthur. It was here Sadie proved herself, being completely fearless and dominant in the shootout. When Micah Bell arranged for Dutch and Colm O'Driscoll to parlay Dutch showed complete trust in Arthur protecting him from a distance with a sniper rifle. John Marston (173) Arthur Morgan (172) Dutch van der Linde (98) Hosea Matthews (84) Abigail Roberts Marston (64) Charles Smith (Red Dead Redemption) (52) Jack Marston (41) Micah Bell (38) Sadie Adler (34) Susan Grimshaw (34) Include Relationships John Marston & Arthur Morgan (176) John Marston/Arthur Morgan (52) It was Trelawny's intel that helped the gang locate Sean after he was captured in Blackwater following the failed job there. Sons of Dutch, brothers, best friends. Arthur openly dislikes Micah because of his negative influence on the gang, and Dutch specifically. John Marston and Arthur Morgan are brothers; Alternate Universe - Modern Setting; Dutch and Hosea are Married; Javier Plays the Guitar; First Kiss; Tooth-Rotting Fluff; Insecure Arthur Morgan; John Marston Is A Dumbass; Summary. Bill is another gang member who doesn't try to talk to Arthur around camp. At some point, Lyle was killed and Arthur witnessed it, donning his hat afterwards.Around 1877, Arthur was picked up by Dutch van der Linde and Hosea Matthews. He also taught Arthur how to read, along side Dutch. He praises John for keeping calm and collected around Bronte when negotiating for Jack's return. All of it, torn away for what? Hosea adds on that they were "a curious couple with their unruly child." Maybe by giving John the picture he wanted John to remember him as a young, healthy, and happy man, not the sick and weak shell he became. share. In the fight, Micah will say that he has been waiting a long time to kill Arthur, and will do so, if the player's honor is low. He tells Strauss to get a job and gives him some money to leave, with Strauss doing so, never to be seen again. We don't know if these insults are in a loving, brotherly way, or genuine, spiteful insults. Arthur barges in and immediately knocks him out. If he chooses the former Anthony keeps his promise of staying away from Tilly. But after their return from Guarma Javier starts to lose respect for Arthur because he has lost faith in Dutch, this is highlighted when Arthur tries to talk Javier about Dutch's erratic behaviour only for him to brush it off and refuse to talk, stating he has nothing to say to him whilst simultaneously questioning Arthur's loyalty. Cleet is an acquaintance of Micah's who helps the gang during the climactic train robbery. The wolves take out John's horse, scratch his face, and leave him to perish. Tags: Red Dead Redemption 2 RDR 2 Arthur Morgan John Marston Brother Bear. Arthur suddenly started to think about his own identity. Maybe he's honoring Arthur's legacy by not pairing him with the van der Linde gang. Later, Arthur learns that Micah is a rat and has been talking to the Pinkertons since their return from Guarma, infuriating Arthur to such an extent that, instead of running away with Abigail and Sadie, he confronts Micah at the camp and holds him at gunpoint to proclaim to everyone that he is a traitor. It will mostly be Frienship/Family and Humor, but there will be Action/Adventure with some violence! Their friendship was brief, but impactful for both parties. We're going with the latter. However, Arthur promises to protect her and won't let anything happen, further showing how much he cares for Tilly. His only notable encounter is having an argument with Sadie when she refuses to cut the vegetables for him, with Arthur intervening before a fight breaks out. During Arthur’s final confrontation with Micah, and the few remaining gang members, John unexpectedly appears and sides with Arthur, revealing Dutch left him to die. Something Abigail deeply appreciated as that is all she has truly wanted, mostly for Jack's sake. She will start to leave Gun Oil at his tent to show her appreciation. On the boat he acts as Arthur's friend and tells him to go play Poker with Desmond Blythe, as part of the plan. Arthur, with Miss Grimshaw, rescue Tilly and successfully capture Anthony Foreman, who Tilly warns to stay away from her. He can even talk to her about his illness, and his inevitable death, late in the game. After they return from Guarma and set up camp at Beaver Hollow their relationship begins to strain further when Arthur, with Sadie, rescues John from Sisika Penitentiary against Dutch's wishes. Arthur left a big impact on Sadie and she was grateful for his efforts to help her, as well as the Marston family. Mary and Arthur reunite when she sends him a letter to come meet her outside of Valentine, and asking for his help in getting her brother away from Chelonia, and later again in Saint Denis, this time with her father. Prior to this Mary-Beth asked Pearson about Kieran having gone missing, Arthur can interject and tell her that he will be fine, with Mary-Beth choosing to trust him. It is uncertain what relationship the two had but it can be deduced that they were on good terms. Whilst escaping Arthur falls to the ground after a steam pipe bursts in his face and is held at knife point, Dutch decides to leave Arthur for dead even though he could easily have saved him. The player can chose how Arthur felt about Mickey. John feels forever indebted to Arthur for giving him a chance to live a normal life and tried to repay him by killing Micah, along with Sadie and Charles, years later. After the arrival of the Pinkertons, and a shootout erupts, both Arthur and John try to escape from the Pinkertons, led by Edgar Ross, as well as from Dutch, Micah, Bill and Javier, through the caves and up a hill. Arthur writes in one entry, sometime near his death, that he hopes John uses his brain better and that the luck that has eluded him will continue to help John instead. We can see many parallels between Arthur's and John's last stands. Arthur respected Miss Grimshaw's authority. In regard to Arthur's indefatigable ability to provide the gang with money, food, and supplies, Dutch, while encountered in camp, will call Arthur "the best man among us.". Sadie would succeed Arthur in helping John to start his family life by helping him earn money through bounty hunting. She can mention to him that she used to play the Harmonica but no longer has one, which allows Arthur to find one for her. Though Sean frequently annoyed Arthur he was greatly saddened when Sean was killed in an ambush by the Grays, affectionately saying what fun times they had together and that he never realised how much he actually cared about him until he was dead. His writing is simpler, his handwriting is messier, and his drawings are of a much-poorer quality. Throughout Arthur's last moments fighting Micah he continuously bragged that he has won, contradicting Micah's claims that he had lost, because he successfully saved John and his family. However, it's telling that John never mentions Arthur, despite Arthur playing such a major role in his life and survival. Arthur and Hosea also went hunting for a Legendary bear, although they failed to kill him together, and they went fishing with Dutch where they shared anecdotes about their past together. Every few months Arthur would visit Eliza and Isaac and stay with them for a few days. However, their relationship strained when John ran away for little over a year after getting Abigail Roberts pregnant with his son, Jack. The family rides and dies together, and John completely abandoned that ideology. Arthur returns Eagle Flies back to his to his father at the tribe's reservation, on the way Arthur expresses his regret for allowing him to get involved with Dutch, but Eagle Flies reassures him that all his decisions were his own. The incident hardened Arthur ever since and he never truly coped with the pain. Upon giving her the Harmonica Arthur comments that he would love to hear her play sometime but Sadie tells him that she only ever played the Harmonica for her husband and would rather keep it that way, but thanks him. They will ultimately succeed in this, however. After the latter incident Trelawny chooses to stay with the gang for a while. Uncle follows through with Arthur's warning and soon leaves. So, really, there's no winning for the man. The two then bid each other farewell, with mutual respect, this being the last time they see each other. Arthur's last words to Dutch is that Micah is a rat and he knows it. Dutch, whilst at camp, will have spontaneous chats with Arthur, one of which can lead to Arthur offering to find Dutch a pipe after he mentions that he misses smoking one. They make their way to Van Horn, shoot their way through the town, and eventually rescue Abigail from Agent Milton. Isaac was born from a relationship Arthur had with a waitress named Eliza. Fan Art. Arthur mentions Isaac when conversing with Rains Fall, telling him that the incident made him realize that he can't expect good things to happen to him with the life he led. Around half-way through the story Arthur becomes wary of Dutch's steadily growing inclination towards violence, specifically when he drowns Angelo Bronte and feeds him to an alligator as vengeance for setting him, and his gang, up at the trolley station. Throughout the early parts of the story Dutch tells Arthur numerous times that he is "like a son" to him, and at one point tells him that he is more than that. The group she dominantly presided over were the girls, who she made sure were doing their chores. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. She is ultimately killed by Micah when she is caught off guard by Javier shouting that Pinkertons are on their way. The Marstons are a relatively happy unit throughout Red Dead Redemption. In Arthur’s journal he reveals he has always liked John and that he has become less of a "fool" than he used to be. Arthur can also play Five Finger Fillet with her after "Blessed are the Peacemakers". Here's a sad scene between John and Arthur in Red Dead Redemption 2 where they prove they're brothers for life. Late in the game Arthur is forced to go with Eagles Flies, along with the rest of the Van der Linde gang, to attack Cornwall's oil facility. After the attack on Cornwall's oil factory Arthur offered to stay and help Charles move the Wapiti Tribe but he declined, stating that there are people that still need Arthur’s help. He is grateful for Arthur's contributions when he goes hunting and donates what he has caught. One could certainly argue that the "redemption" of Red Dead Redemption 2 is about both John and Arthur. Such as when he finds a lead on a stagecoach, however, this soon gets out of control as it belongs to Leviticus Cornwall and is highly protected. At camp Pearson never goes up to Arthur for a spontaneous chat, but he is one of the members Arthur can play Poker with. The go-to source for comic book and superhero movie fans. At camp Kieran never goes up to Arthur to engage in a conversation. If Arthur calls out her drunkenness she will call him a "stuck up piece of shit.". Update: Fixed an oversight. Not much is known about Arthur's relationship with his father, though the little information given implies a strained one at best. Lenny does not come up to Arthur for a spontaneous chat around camp. In return he will give Arthur a set of Spurs as a clothing item. Should Arthur have completed most of the debt missions, and depending on the his decisions in the last two, Arthur, who by this point has gained a higher sense of morality, confronts Strauss and kicks him out of the camp. When he does tell her this she deeply sympathies with Arthur but she will also try to reassure him, and tell him he still has time to do good. She can also request Arthur to find her some Oregano herbs and in return will leave him some Miracle Tonic beside his tent. John can then dispose of Cleet and have his revenge. With Arthur having become greatly disillusioned with Dutch, and now realising that he has become a shadow of his former self, or possibly the man he has always been who merely uses others to further his own desires, he decides to help John, Abigail and Jack escape the gang and be free from all this trouble. Arthur liked Miss Grimshaw and her feelings were mutual. Arthur's loss of faith in Dutch is exacerbated after he kills Leviticus Cornwall despite claiming he was just going to meet him for a "social call" to try and strike a deal. Arthur will ask Swanson questions about his decision to leave with him trying to explain himself. Arthur protested continuing but John encourages him to keep pushing. However, Kieran gives up details on a possible whereabouts of Colm O'Driscoll and Dutch decides that he should go along with Arthur, John and Bill to show them where. This shared view gave Arthur confidence to confide in Charles his views and illness. Arthur companies Rains Fall when he goes to meet with Colonel Favours in order to arrange a peace deal between the Natives and the U.S. Army, but this ultimately fails. report. Trelawny arranges a plan to rob a lucrative riverboat called the Grand Korrigan, which is hosting a Poker tournament, and plays the role of getting Arthur trimmed and suited for the job and arrange his escort. The loss of his son and Eliza made Arthur appreciate the family he had in the Van der Linde gang and perhaps fuelled the frustration he had with John when he ran away after getting Abigail pregnant with Jack. Nonetheless, Uncle respects Arthur's authority and if he is told to do something he will do it, albeit reluctantly and with only the occasional backchat. Miss Grimshaw showed her loyalty was to Arthur instead of Dutch by the end of the story when, during the standoff between Arthur and Micah, Miss Grimshaw sided with Arthur. Abigail, when Jack brings up Arthur, says that John does not like to talk about Arthur much. Despite his reservations Arthur was willing to save Trelawny when he was taken captive by the local sheriff in Rhodes, and did the same again, this time by bounty hunters. As the gang started to fall apart, due to Dutch's growing violence and paranoia, Arthur did all he could for Jack and his family to escape and live a free and safe life. He also aids Arthur and Javier when they need to take out two bounty hunters to save him. Arthur has the choice to either let him live or kill him. He can also ask Arthur to find him a rabbit and in return will give him a Nutritious Stew. The incident devastated Arthur and he never truly coped with the loss. As a result, its never shown just how much Arthur cares about Mary-Beth. Eliza and Isaac's deaths have also deeply affected his loyalty to his gang, considering them as his family, and holding disdain for John Marston for leaving Abigail Roberts when he got her pregnant with their son, Jack. Arthur can tell her that if Micah keeps harassing her she just tell him and he will deal with it, showing that he looks out for her, especially when it involves Micah. If Arthur dies before completing Hamish's story line he will be saddened by his death, speaking of Arthur's hunting achievements with John. Tags: Red Dead Redemption 2 RDR 2 Arthur Morgan John Marston. Arthur admired and respected Hamish greatly because of the way he has lived his life, despise his prosthetic leg. He further demonstrates his hostility by calling Arthur a turncoat after Bill goes at Abigail and Uncle. Hosea summed up his relationship with Dutch and Arthur as "the curious couple with their unruly child." A little piece of Arthur lives with John, and it allows John to vividly remember the life of his brother. What makes the story of Red Dead Redemption even more tragic is the realization that Arthur indirectly caused John's eventual demise. Arthur's interactions with the Marston family deepen and strengthen the overall umbrella of Red Dead Redemption's themes, ideas, and statements. At camp Hosea is one of the gang members Arthur can play Dominoes with. Despite this, Arthur is, occasionally, willing to follow him. John hated the gang; he didn't hate Arthur. Arthur is aware of Micah's skills as a fighter and shooter, and Micah appears to respect Arthur for his shooting abilities in return, as well as saying that he finds it "fun" riding with Arthur. Arthur is given the choice to deal with the last hunter. One day, Arthur saw two crosses outside their house and immediately knew they had both died. For instance, the childhoods and upbringings of John and Arthur. Arthur is often vocal, and scornful, about the things Micah does around camp such as ridiculing Swanson, taunting Javier, Lenny and Charles because they are a different race, harassing Abigail at camp and even kicking Jack's dog, Cain. Arthur and Dutch have a long history together, with Arthur seeing him as a mentor and a father figure who taught him the life of an outlaw and embraced Dutch's view of a life free from modern civilisation and its rules. However, this might be because of her disappointment in how far Dutch has fallen rather than genuinely preferring Arthur, as anecdotes can be heard that Miss Grimshaw was rather close to Dutch before the events in the game. Tilly is also very kind to Arthur, frequently expressing concern for him as his health begins to deteriorate and wishing he'd take better care of himself. He also gains new relationships throughout his journey. After the failed job at Blackwater Sean got himself captured and whilst being handed over to a group of bounty hunters Arthur, Javier and Charles, with help from Trelawny, saved him. During the final train robbery Abigail is abducted by Agent Milton and taken to Van Horn, both Sadie and Arthur decide to rescue her. It is around this time that Dutch begins to negatively influence Eagle Flies to fight the U.S Army, to the worry of Arthur and his fellow gang member, and friend, Charles Smith. That is, until Jack is taken by the Braithwaites and given to Angelo Bronte. Arthur would regularly bring Charles on jobs, believing him to be a more reliable pair of hands than anybody else in the gang. Later in the game she is kidnapped by the Foreman Brothers who she used to run with before she joined the Van der Linde gang. During a botched bank job in Saint Denis Lenny is shot and killed whilst the gang tries to escape across the rooftops. 99% Upvoted. It was Arthur's final, heroic last stand, and it allowed his brother to escape into a potential life of happiness and safety. Arthur Morgan and John Marston. Abigail then gives Arthur the key to Dutch’s chest that has all the money the gang has robbed throughout the story, surprising him. Initially, Arthur viewed Rains Fall as weak because of his pacifism, a stark contrast to Arthur's lifestyle. Arthur got on with Tilly very well, much like the other women around camp. Despite Micah's pleas for Dutch to come with him for the money he turns and walks away, Arthur appearing to have finally convinced him. Before leaving Arthur tells both of them that they are good women and one of the best. Close. For most of 1899, their relationship is strong and healthy, with Arthur having Dutch’s full trust and respect and vice versa. You can tell that the two were quite close before John's departure, but that left a major rift that took a long time (and a lot of violence) to mend. 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